The Division Community Talk - The Division 2

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@JonnyGranada
Oh weh, können wir dir irgendwie helfen?

 

[JonnyGranada]

öhm ne, bin eben mit dem spiel fertig geworden, aber ich glaub ich mach noch nen 2. Durchlauf.
Das macht schon ne menge Spaß, wenn man sich erstmal zurechtgefunden hat.
Oder ich hol mir den Nachfolger, der ist aber leider noch in early access.

In Div2 gibt es ja eh nix zu tun im moment. GTA V wartet da auch noch, hab ich zeitgleich angefangen, aber die letzte Woche nur Subnautica gesuchtet.

 

[Xizor]

PTS Phase 3 Patchnotes:

Spoiler

Gameplay Changes



General

• Increased rifle base ammo capacity by 50% from 280 to 420
• Gunner specialization's Emplacement talent Weapon Handling bonus reduced from +15% to +10%
• Note: UI text has not been updated, and will still say +15% in the talent description

NPC/Difficulty Balance

• Reverted the increases to base NPC status effect resistances in heroic and legendary difficulties during PTS phase 2

Developer comment: One of the obvious advantages to running a PTS in multiple phases is we can be afforded the opportunity to try experimental ideas while receiving immediate feedback. We knew this would be a controversial change, but wanted to try it anyway in order to see how it would affect the end-game meta. Unfortunately, one of the things we failed to do was appreciate just how much a blanket resistance buff to NPCs would affect the viability of non-crowd-control status effect builds. We never intended to release TU10 with any sort of nerf as significant as that, and fully intended to land somewhere much lower than the resistance values seen in PTS phase 2. Despite those intentions, we agree these resistance changes are not in the best interest of the game, so they have been entirely reverted in favor of addressing the particular crowd-control skills we feel are currently scaling too high in both uptime and frequency. More information on those changes can be found below in the Skills portion of these patch notes.




Loot

• Loot containers part of living world activities now scale with global difficulty

Developer comment: Several issues regarding loot not scaling properly in PTS phase 2 have been addressed. These are specified in the Bug Fixes section.





Exotics

Developer comment: TU10's significant buff to weapon handling meant some exotic weapon mods no longer made sense or resulted in over tuned performance that no longer fit with the original design profile. We also took this opportunity to make improvements to underperforming exotic mods/configurations.





The Bighorn

• Big Game Hunter: Headshots now grant +2% Headshot Damage, up from +1%
• Increased optimal range from 27m to 40m
• Optics mod bonus increased from +0% to +30% Headshot Damage
• Magazine mod bonus changed from +7% Headshot Damage to +10% Reload Speed

Mantis

• Optics mod bonus increased from +35% to +40% Headshot Damage
• Muzzle mod bonus changed from +7% Headshot Damage to +5% Critical Hit Chance
• Now highlights weakpoints when aiming through the scope

Nemesis

• Optics mod bonus increased from +35% to +45% Headshot Damage
• Underbarrel mod bonus reduced from +15% to +5% Weapon Handling

Chameleon

• Adaptive Instincts: Increased the number of hits required to gain the body-shots buff from 60 to 75, and increased its weapon damage bonus from +80% to +90%
• Optics mod bonus changed from +15% Accuracy to +15% Critical Hit Chance
• Muzzle mod bonus changed from +5% Critical Hit Chance to +10% Accuracy
• Underbarrel mod bonus changed from +10% Critical Hit Chance to +10% Stability

Merciless/Ruthless

• Binary Trigger: Reduced the amplified weapon damage at 7 stacks from 900% to 500%, and the explosion damage from 1200% to 500%
• Muzzle mod bonus reduced from +20% to +10% Stability
• Underbarrel mod bonus reduced from +20% to +10% Weapon Handling
• Magazine mod bonus reduced from +15% to +10% Reload Speed

Developer Comment: Merciless was previously balanced for its very unwieldy handling and compensated with very high burst damage. With access to much higher weapon handling, this is being toned down dramatically.
Eagle Bearer

• Underbarrel mod bonus changed from +10% Stability to +10% Weapon Handling

Lady Death

• Breathe Free: Lowered the amount of maximum stacks from 40 to 32, and increased the damage amplification per stack from 60% to 75%
• Optics mod bonus increased from +5% to +10% Critical Hit Chance
• Muzzle mod bonus changed from +5% Critical Hit Chance to +5% Critical Hit Damage
• Underbarrel mod changed from +5% Critical Hit Damage to +500% Melee Damage

Pestilence

• Muzzle mod bonus changed from +10% Stability to +10% Accuracy
• Underbarrel mod bonus changed from +10% Weapon Handling to +10% Stability

The Chatterbox

• Optics mod bonus increased from +5% to +15% Critical Hit Chance
• Muzzle mod bonus changed from +10% Critical Hit Chance to +5% Critical Hit Damage
• Underbarrel mod bonus reduced from +15% to +10% Weapon Handling
• Magazine mod bonus changed from +10% Reload Speed to +10 Rounds
• Magazine base capacity reduced from 60 to 50

Liberty

• Optics mod bonus changed from +5% Critical Hit Chance to +5% Headshot Damage
• Muzzle mod bonus changed from +15% Stability to +5% Critical Hit Chance
• Magazine mod bonus changed from +15% Reload Speed to +15% Weapon Handling
• No longer highlights weakpoints when aiming

Regulus

• Muzzle mod bonus changed from +5% Critical Hit Damage to +20% Accuracy

Gear Sets

Foundry Bulwark

• Makeshift Repairs repair-over-time effect reduced from 40% of damage taken over 10s to 20% over 15s
• Improved Materials now increases Makeshift Repairs from 20% to 30% over 15s
• Process Refinery now increases Makeshift Repairs repair speed from 15s to 10s

Developer comment: The intention for Foundry Bulwark is for it to be the premiere gear set choice for tanks, or players looking to maximize their survivability, especially when paired with a shield such as the Bulwark. These values should better represent the level of survivability we intended this gear set to provide, as we still want situational awareness and smart positioning to be a factor in moment to moment decision making. The previous tuning during PTS phase-1 and 2 meant even bad play couldn't be punished due to the overly generous damage reduction and self-repair strength.





Brand Sets

• Incoming Repairs brand set bonus increased from +15% to +20% on 5.11 Tactical and Richter & Kaiser GmbH

Weapons

Carbine7

• 7.6% -> 8.7% damage increase

CTAR-21

• 6.2% -> 8.6% damage increase

MPX

• 20.8% -> 17.7% damage reduction

Skills

Hive

• Stinger Hive base damage reduced -20%
• Stinger Hive damage bonus per skill tier increased from +10% to +20%

Developer comment: In order to make investing in skill tiers have a greater impact on the Stinger Hive's damage, we slightly reduced base drone damage, while doubling the amount of damage gained with each skill tier. These changes will result in a net buff for dedicated skill builds, with a 10% increase in Stinger Hive drone damage at skill tier 6 compared to TU9's live values.

• Restorer Hive now gains +5% drone flight speed per skill tier

Developer comment: Increases to the Restorer Hive's radius had the unfortunate effect of increasing the time it took for repair drones to reach their target the further they were from the hive. Increasing drone flight speed with each skill tier should help offset that somewhat counter-intuitive behavior when taking advantage of the increased area of effect, and make the Restorer Hive a more reliable tool for healers.





Chem Launcher

• Riot Foam Chem Launcher ensnare duration bonus per skill tier reduced from +20% to +10%

Firefly

• Blinder Firefly blind duration bonus per skill tier reduced from +20% to +10%
• Blinder Firefly base blind duration reduced from 6s to 5s

Pulse

• Banshee Pulse base confuse duration reduced from 5s to 4s
• Jammer Pulse base disrupt duration reduced from 4s to 3s

Shock Trap

• Shock Trap base shock duration reduced from 5s to 3s (PvP duration remains unchanged)
• Shock Trap base radius increased from 2m to 2.5m

Developer comment: One of the core objectives for the design team when working on Warlords of New York was to make the endgame challenging again, and to put a greater emphasis on both personal and group build synergy. When we shipped Warlord's of NY, we reduced the maximum power deltas on gear, which meant players could no longer "over-gear" content like they could previously, which had the desired effect of making difficulty levels matter again. While we consider that a success, it also had the fortunate consequence of bringing to light a lot of degenerate NPC behavior that was always present, but entirely invisible, due to players being 4-5x more powerful than the content they were doing prior to Warlords. This re-tuning of the RPG mechanics has forced us to audit the economics of our NPC encounters in more ways than one, in order to address unfair, overly punishing, or generally overtuned NPC archetypes. We consider all of this a good thing, because it keeps us honest as developers, and the game as fair as possible, without compromising what makes difficult content fun and rewarding in the first place: the challenge.


_With all that said, two things were clear from the start of Warlords launch: NPCs were too powerful, and player crowd-control (CC) skills were scaling too high. One became a necessary evil to combat the other, and so we were reluctant to make any changes to CC skills before addressing the core issue of NPC balance. We believe the tuning of NPCs and their scaling across the different tiers of difficulty is in a much better/healthier place as of TU9.1, and the generous amount of buffs to weapon damage and gear coming in TU10 will only further tip the scales in the player's favor. In order to maintain a healthy balance between players and NPCs at the highest difficulties, and to preserve the integrity of our vision for endgame, we now need to address the power of crowd-contro_l skills.


The changes outlined above were done to bring dedicated crowd-controller builds more in-line with what we expect their contribution to a fireteam to be. CC effects act as powerful force-multipliers, multiplying the strength of every individual on a team by both lowering/preventing incoming damage entirely, and enabling the group's damage dealers to do so with impunity. The current tuning of CC effects on live (TU9.1) lead to NPCs on even legendary difficulty being snared/blinded/disrupted/confused for longer than the cooldown of the skill itself, giving them no opportunity to defend themselves, or fight back once the CC effect wore off. This inevitably lead to situations where the only time a group with a dedicated crowd-controller would come under threat was when NPCs reached immunity through diminishing returns from constant re-application of CC effects, or the CC effect itself failed to register or apply on activation (which we will continue to address and fix, now more than ever).


A more insidious, and less visible consequence of having overpowered crowd-control effects, is that it discourages the desire or need for any other form of group composition that isn't 1x CC 3x DPS. Why consider bringing along a tank or healer, when your crowd-controller essentially does the job of both? There is no need for a healer if the group never takes damage, and no need for a tank if the NPCs are always incapacitated or rooted in place.


It's important to stress that none of these changes were made to discourage bringing a crowd-controller to a gunfight. In fact, we're more than confident that dedicated crowd-controller builds will remain the linchpin of any heroic or legendary group, due to just how powerful these CC effects are despite their reduction in uptime. What we do envision happening, hopefully, is a reconsideration of what to bring to your next gunfight, and that maybe the value of healers/tanks will increase as the proposition of smoothing out the bumps between crowd-control opportunities becomes something to consider.





PvP



Gear Sets

Foundry Bulwark

• Makeshift Repairs repair-over-time effect reduced by -50% in PvP

Weapons

• Shotgun PvP damage reduced by -12.5%
• Pistol PvP damage reduced by -10%
• Merciless/Ruthless: Binary Trigger amplified weapon damage and explosion damage reduced by -50% in PvP

Skills

• Firestarter Chem Launcher PvP damage reduced by -20%
• Stinger Hive PvP damage increased by 20%, scaling up to 65% at skill tier 6 (-55%/-10% from PTS2)
• Striker Drone PvP damage increased by 30% (20% increase from PTS2)
• Assault Turret PvP damage increased by 55% (25% increase from PTS2)

Developer comment: We want dedicated skill builds to have multiple, powerful defensive tools for area denial/control. In an attempt to replace the loss in bleed damage on the stinger hive during the first wave of the PTS, we overcompensated with a buff to the hive's base drone damage that made it too powerful in the hands of non-skill builds. In order to address that, we lowered both the base damage and PvP modified damage of the stinger hive's drones but doubled the amount of damage gained from skill tiers. The end result is a -55% reduction in stinger hive damage compared to the PTS phase-2 values at skill tier 0, and -10% at skill tier 6. Compared to TU9 (live) values, it remains a 20%-65% increase in stinger hive damage in PvP.





Bug Fixes

• Fixed a progression blocker in the Pentagon mission that occurred after being downed by a rogue agent counter.
• Fixed a progression blocker in the District Union Arena caused by killing Warhounds without entering the room.
• Fixed Ongoing Directive granting unlimited hollow-point ammo for specialization weapons.
• Fixed Merciless not triggering the explosion after granting 7 stacks.
• Fixed stack inconsistencies with the Press the Advantage talent of the Striker’s Battlegear gear set.
• Fixed the extra Season Pass Project Slot showing as restricted to Season Pass holders.
• Fixed delta error occurrences when in the Operation Dark Hours raid.
• Fixed an area in the Liberty Island mission where NPC’s would get stuck.
• Fixed the “Mad Bomber” talent losing functionality after the player respawns in Conflict.
• Fixed the Cluster Seeker Mine detonating at the NPC’s location when it was deployed.
• Fixed Signature Move’s Tip of the Spear talent not doubling signature weapon ammo for Demolitionists.
• Fixed NinjaBike Messenger’s Parkour talent not granting bonus armor.
• Fixed Bighorn’s headshots granting headshot damage stacks not working.
• Fixed UI inconsistencies in the Global Event reward menu.
• Fixed BTSU Datagloves Transference Overclock talent not granting skill haste for the Hive.
• Fixed Future Iniative’s Tactical Superiority talent not amplifying bonus damage correctly.
• Fixed System Corruption’s Hackstep Protocol talent not applying the 20% repair correctly.
• Fixed incorrect description of the BTSU Datagloves.
• Fixed incorrect description of the Negotiators Dilemma’s Hostile Negotiations talent.
• Fixed incorrect description of the Chameleon’s Adaptive Instincts talent.

Known Issues

• Some loot containers may not drop loot in missions on Legendary difficulty

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/gwfvdb/the_division_2_title_update_10_pts_patch_notes/

 

[TermyD]

Ich weiß nicht was ich davon halten soll. Wieder jede Menge Detail-Anpassungen an Waffen, Skills, Talenten, Brand- und Gearsets etc.

Kein Wort zu den massiven Forderungen bzw. Beschwerden der Spieler zum Thema Loot Qualität (Stoppt den nervigen Regenbogen Loot) oder Erhöhung der Inventar und Lagerkapazitäten passend zu der erneut gestiegenen Anzahl der Waffen und Gears

Und auch kein Wort zu der i.d.R. immer noch unterirdischen Qualität von selbst hergestelltem Gear aus der FertigungStation.

Ich befürchte Massive hat es noch immer nicht verstanden, was einen großen Teil der Spieler auf die Palme bringt...

 

[Baya]

Haben sich scheinbar nur um ihren bescheuerten "Statuseffekte-Nerf und jetzt wieder doch nicht" gekümmert....
Das hat doch niemanden gestört - warum machen die net einfach mal die Dinge die wichtig sind.

 

[deekey777]

Ich werde das Spiel erst mit dem TU 10 anfassen.

 

[dropback]

Im Grunde sind die Patch notes ja ok, da ist zumindest nix dabei wo man gleich den Kopf schütteln muss. Wenn jetzt halt auch mal Inhalt kommen würde den man dann auch spielen will, das wäre ein Traum. Die Sache mit dem Loot sehe ich gar nicht sooo schlimm, ist halt schwierig da die Balance zwischen sinnvoll<->nicht zu schnell fertig zu sein zu bekommen. Und ab einem gewissen Ausstattungslevel (den die meisten von uns eben haben) wird es dann halt schwer noch was besseres zu finden. Von daher sehe ich den Regenbogen Loot als notwendiges Übel. Die Fertigungsstation könnte aber wirklich ruhig mal wieder brauchbare Sachen ausspucken, und 50 Plätze mehr im Inventar wären auch schön.

 

[Hurricane271]

Ich denke wenn sie den Regenbogen-Loot abschaffen und alles Presets erhält, nehmen sie noch mehr Tiefe aus dem Lootgame raus. Da bin ich bei dropback, ab einem gewissen Grad den man erreicht hat, ist es halt schwerer Verbesserungen zu kriegen.
Aber was enorm helfen kann ist, wenn es ein breites Spektrum an brauchbaren Talenten gibt. Sie haben die Auswahl und Kombinationsmöglichkeiten enorm eingeschränkt, was nicht so schlimm wäre wenn nicht jetzt 2/3 der Talente immer noch unbrauchbar sind und es nur eine handvoll brauchbare Talente gibt.

 

[TermyD]

Es geht mir ja gar nicht darum, dass es nur noch „einfarbigen Godroll Loot“ gibt und ja, es kann auch gerne vereinzelt Regenbogen Loot geben. Irgendwas muss man ja auch beim Händler verkaufen

Und ich habe durchaus in den letzten Wochen Loot mit max. CHC, CHD oder Armor Regen als Attribut gefunden. Aber leider seit gefühlt 6 Wochen nie passend zum Core Attribut. Von den dann passenden Talenten ganz zu schweigen.

ich kann einen Großhandel aufmachen mit Gear in der Kombi „R&K mit Bombenleger“ oder „Providence mit Safeguard“. Wobei die R&K Teile natürlich Fertigkeitenschaden haben und die Providence Rüstungsreparatur . Und was wäre eine gute Loot Session ohne dutzende (Schrott-) Mods und einem Stapel voller Sniper mit “Nah- und Persönlich“

Der Loot Pool ist und bleibt „overengineered“, und statt wie @Hurricane91 richtig schreibt, die Talente zu überarbeiten oder sich auf weniger, dafür sinnvolle und gut zu spielende Talente zu fokussieren, werden noch mehr Talente, Gear- und Brandsets, Waffen etc, ins Spiel gebracht.

Damit sinkt die Chance noch weiter, etwas besseres zu finden. Zumindest für die Level 40 oder WR5 Spieler.

Diese Kritik ist ja nicht neu und wurde schon letztes Jahr immer wieder an Massive adressiert. Nur geändert hat sich nichts.

Es scheint so, dass die Entwickler “ihr Ding“ durchziehen wollen, ob es den zahlenden Kunden nun gefällt oder nicht.

 

[Rush]

Ich spiele auch erst wieder wen TU 10 draußen ist, lohnt jetzt einfach nicht bei dem Loot.

 

[deekey777]

ich habe kurz Division 1 angeworfen, das fühlt sich ganz anders an, gerade das Waffenhandling. Aber 6er D3FNC mit 9000 Gesundheitspunkten, House mit Räuberisch... Kontaminierungsevent in der DZ war schon cool.

 

[JonnyGranada]

Div 1 hat ja auch ne ordentliche balance. Div 2 hat mehr potenzial, aber ob das jemals genutzt wird?

 

[TermyD]

Und nicht zu vergessen Gearsets, die „richtig Wumms“ haben und auch schön und vor allem unkompliziert zu spielen sind
Wobei ich sagen muss, dass ich mich mittlerweile so sehr an TD2 und das Handling dort gewöhnt habe, dass ich nur noch schwer in den Spielfluss in TD1 rein komme...

 

[Xizor]

Meine Idee die letzten Exo-Caches aus der Liga und dem GE aufzuheben bis in TU10 auch die WoNY Exos in den Pool kommen scheint sich auszuzahlen. Habe gerade auf dem PTS einen davon aufgemacht und ne Lady Death gezogen.

 

[Deathangel008]

ich habe alle legendary-missionen geschafft und alles was ich bekommen habe sind diese hässlichen klamotten

oder so

roosevelt hat mich an den rand des wahnsinns gebracht und kurz davor das game zu deinstallieren.

 

[DrCox1911]

Ist ja gerade Sale im Ubi-Store und TD2 ist mit 9,90€ auch dabei.
Wie ist denn der Inhalt mit zwei Spielern spielbar? Ich wäre immer mit meinem Bruder unterwegs und wollen dann natürlich alles was geht zu zweit machen.

 

[dropback]

Das meiste kann man zu zweit machen. Also die Levelphase und auch eigentlich alles danach.
Nur im Endgame (Legendär und vor allem Raid) wird es zu zweit eng. Legendär klappt evtl. noch, aber der Raid auf keinen Fall.

 

[TermyD]

Apro Legendär, ich habe ein paar Versuche mit Randoms gemacht und bin kläglich gescheitert .

Wollen wir das nochmal zusammen im Clan machen oder habt ihr die schon alle durch?

 

[dropback]

Wir sind im Prinzip alle durch. Wobei alle=alle die immer auf dem Discord sind, sind.
Roosevelt und District würde ich aber noch mal mitkommen, die sind recht harmlos. Kapitol ist immer noch ätzend, das geht nur mit genug Grauburgunder.
Schau einfach mal aufm Discord vorbei, dann ergibt sich das schon.
Wobei im Moment halt eh kaum noch jemand spielt, ist ja ziemlich die Luft raus...

 

[Hurricane271]

Für Legendär bin ich auch noch da, aber Kapitol dann eher gesondert. Roosevelt und District kann man eigentlich locker hintereinander weg machen und bei Kapitol kommst halt stark drauf an wie die Adds sich beim Boss verhalten.