News Betrug mit Seagate-Festplatten: Händler verkaufen gebrauchte HDDs als Neuware

[IchiBrain]

@Snoopy69 Ach wie schön das wäre, wenn mal eine SN auf ner Rechnung stehen würde. Habe grade geschaut und war nicht überrascht keine zu sehen.
Ich werde da morgen früh direkt mal anrufen und nachfragen, einen Austausch brauche ich eigentlich garnicht anfragen, die Chance wieder so ein Neu nciht so Neu Produkt zu bekommen ist ja nicht so gering. Mal sehen was die sagen.
Tatsächlich stelle ich mir jetzt eher die Frage, wo einen Ersatz herbekommen, der wirklich Neu ist und korrekte Garantie hat.. Laut dem Artikel von Computerbase sind glaube ich Platten von Amazon, Reichelt und eben noch Galaxus betroffen. Bleiben als offizielle Partner von Seagate noch Alternate und Cyberport.
Bei Cyberport wird die offizielle 5 Jahre Warranty zumindest als Produktbild mit angegeben. Bei Alternate fehlt genau dieses offizielle Produktbild, über die Garantie wird schriftlich aber in beiden Fällen kein Wort verloren. Laut Artikelbeschreibung bei beiden kein OEM Artikel, also schonmal bessere Chancen auf ein tatsächliches Neu Produkt
Allerdings schreibt bei Alternate etwa ein Kunde von 2024, trotz fehlender Ausweisung ein OEM Produkt geliefert bekommen zu haben. Trust Issues?
Was denkt ihr? Cyberport & tiefer in die Tasche greifen - Alternate bisschen ungutes Gefühl? Vielleicht habt ihr ja sonst noch vertrauenswürdige Händler die ihr mir empfehlen könnt

 

[S K Y N E T]

Nachdem was man in den letzten Monaten so an stories auf den Verkaufsplattformen, auch mydealz etc gesehen hat, würde es mich wundern, wenn die Zahl der Kunden die sich aus dem Stehgreif beschweren könnten, nicht bei 500 oder 5000 liegen würde.

 

[Snoopy69]

Hast du so ein Label drauf?



@IchiBrain
Da ist meine EXOS X20 - 20TB her, aber wie geschrieben, sind die Betriebsstunden in SMART und FARM identisch. Und ich vertraue mal meiner "Quelle", dass FARM zu resetten, ausschliesslich nur Seagate beherrscht. Oder warum sonst macht man sich den Aufwand ein anderes Label aufzutragen und das Chassis zu lasern und lässt FARM nicht einfach stehen, wenn "recertified"? Dann könnte man ja gleich das "richtige" ("echte") Label auf eine "recertified" oder "refurbed" HDD auftragen und die Laserung einfach weglassen. Die Vermutung von @Amaoto macht daher wenig Sinn

 

[Blutomen]

Wie waren diese deklariert?

Neu
https://web.archive.org/web/20231010130339/https://www.ebay.de/itm/175774263521

Edit:
Waren in nem Beutel glaube sogar mit Seagate Aufkleber verschlossen.
Absolut neu, ohne Kratzer oder sonstiges. Und haben lt. Seagate Checker auch noch Garantie bis 12/2026.

War damals echt Glück

 

[Snoopy69]

In deinem Fall 2 Jahre Gewährleistung...

 

[Blutomen]

In deinem Fall 2 Jahre Gewährleistung...

Jub und von Seagate Garantie bis 12/2026.

 

[SH4DOWtheFOX]

bei den 3 Shops wundert es mich nicht

- Amazon: da müsste man unterscheiden, ist Amazon der Verkäufer oder nur die Shopplattform hier. Wenn als Verkäufer, dann wundert es mich

- Alternate: das wundert mich schon sehr das die auch sowas aufsitzen, ggf Rückläuferbetrug.

Ich hatte mit Mindfactory bis jetzt noch keine Probleme und ich habe meine letzten 2 PCs dort bestellt.

 

[Spawn182]

Hier mal die Smart und farm Werte meiner Exos X20 18TB ST18000NM003D. Die war neu und alle Werte sehen aus meiner Sicht normal aus, nur zum Vergleich, für die Betroffenen.

Spoiler: smartctl -x /dev/sdo

~# smartctl -x /dev/sdo
smartctl 7.4 2023-08-01 r5530 [x86_64-linux-6.8.12-5-pve] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-23, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Seagate Exos X20
Device Model:     ST18000NM003D-3DL103
Serial Number:    xxxxxxxx
LU WWN Device Id: x xxxxxx xxxxxxxxx
Firmware Version: SN01
User Capacity:    18,000,207,937,536 bytes [18.0 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Form Factor:      3.5 inches
Device is:        In smartctl database 7.3/5625
ATA Version is:   ACS-4 (minor revision not indicated)
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.3, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Wed Jan 29 02:30:26 2025 CET
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
AAM feature is:   Unavailable
APM feature is:   Unavailable
Rd look-ahead is: Enabled
Write cache is:   Disabled
DSN feature is:   Disabled
ATA Security is:  Disabled, NOT FROZEN [SEC1]
Write SCT (Get) Feature Control Command failed: scsi error aborted command
Wt Cache Reorder: Unknown (SCT Feature Control command failed)

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x82) Offline data collection activity
                                        was completed without error.
                                        Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
                                        without error or no self-test has ever
                                        been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:                (  559) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:                    (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                                        Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                                        Suspend Offline collection upon new
                                        command.
                                        Offline surface scan supported.
                                        Self-test supported.
                                        Conveyance Self-test supported.
                                        Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
                                        power-saving mode.
                                        Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
                                        General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (1488) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
SCT capabilities:              (0x70bd) SCT Status supported.
                                        SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                                        SCT Feature Control supported.
                                        SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAGS    VALUE WORST THRESH FAIL RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     POSR--   082   064   044    -    0/160405901
  3 Spin_Up_Time            PO----   091   090   000    -    0
  4 Start_Stop_Count        -O--CK   100   100   020    -    954
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   PO--CK   100   100   010    -    0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         POSR--   079   060   045    -    0/86921971
  9 Power_On_Hours          -O--CK   096   096   000    -    4057
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        PO--C-   100   100   097    -    0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       -O--CK   100   100   020    -    590
 18 Head_Health             PO-R--   100   100   050    -    0
187 Reported_Uncorrect      -O--CK   100   100   000    -    0
188 Command_Timeout         -O--CK   100   100   000    -    0 0 0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel -O---K   071   048   000    -    29 (Min/Max 21/33)
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count -O--CK   100   100   000    -    537
193 Load_Cycle_Count        -O--CK   099   099   000    -    2347
194 Temperature_Celsius     -O---K   029   040   000    -    29 (0 16 0 0 0)
197 Current_Pending_Sector  -O--C-   100   100   000    -    0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   ----C-   100   100   000    -    0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    -OSRCK   200   200   000    -    0
200 Pressure_Limit          PO---K   100   100   001    -    0
240 Head_Flying_Hours       ------   100   100   000    -    620h+22m+34.689s
241 Total_LBAs_Written      ------   100   253   000    -    49905922644
242 Total_LBAs_Read         ------   100   253   000    -    4109690754820
                            ||||||_ K auto-keep
                            |||||__ C event count
                            ||||___ R error rate
                            |||____ S speed/performance
                            ||_____ O updated online
                            |______ P prefailure warning

General Purpose Log Directory Version 1
SMART           Log Directory Version 1 [multi-sector log support]
Address    Access  R/W   Size  Description
0x00       GPL,SL  R/O      1  Log Directory
0x01           SL  R/O      1  Summary SMART error log
0x02           SL  R/O      5  Comprehensive SMART error log
0x03       GPL     R/O      5  Ext. Comprehensive SMART error log
0x04       GPL     R/O    256  Device Statistics log
0x04       SL      R/O      8  Device Statistics log
0x06           SL  R/O      1  SMART self-test log
0x07       GPL     R/O      1  Extended self-test log
0x08       GPL     R/O      2  Power Conditions log
0x09           SL  R/W      1  Selective self-test log
0x0a       GPL     R/W      8  Device Statistics Notification
0x0c       GPL     R/O   2048  Pending Defects log
0x10       GPL     R/O      1  NCQ Command Error log
0x11       GPL     R/O      1  SATA Phy Event Counters log
0x13       GPL     R/O      1  SATA NCQ Send and Receive log
0x21       GPL     R/O      1  Write stream error log
0x22       GPL     R/O      1  Read stream error log
0x24       GPL     R/O    768  Current Device Internal Status Data log
0x2f       GPL     R/O      1  Set Sector Configuration
0x30       GPL,SL  R/O      9  IDENTIFY DEVICE data log
0x80-0x9f  GPL,SL  R/W     16  Host vendor specific log
0xa1       GPL,SL  VS     160  Device vendor specific log
0xa2       GPL     VS   16320  Device vendor specific log
0xa4       GPL,SL  VS     160  Device vendor specific log
0xa6       GPL     VS     192  Device vendor specific log
0xa8-0xa9  GPL,SL  VS     136  Device vendor specific log
0xab       GPL     VS       1  Device vendor specific log
0xad       GPL     VS      16  Device vendor specific log
0xb1       GPL,SL  VS     160  Device vendor specific log
0xb6       GPL     VS    1920  Device vendor specific log
0xbe-0xbf  GPL     VS   65535  Device vendor specific log
0xc1       GPL,SL  VS       8  Device vendor specific log
0xc3       GPL,SL  VS      24  Device vendor specific log
0xc6       GPL     VS    5184  Device vendor specific log
0xc7       GPL,SL  VS       8  Device vendor specific log
0xc9       GPL,SL  VS       8  Device vendor specific log
0xca       GPL,SL  VS      16  Device vendor specific log
0xcd       GPL,SL  VS       1  Device vendor specific log
0xce       GPL     VS       1  Device vendor specific log
0xcf       GPL     VS     512  Device vendor specific log
0xd1       GPL     VS     656  Device vendor specific log
0xd2       GPL     VS   10256  Device vendor specific log
0xd4       GPL     VS    2048  Device vendor specific log
0xda       GPL,SL  VS       1  Device vendor specific log
0xe0       GPL,SL  R/W      1  SCT Command/Status
0xe1       GPL,SL  R/W      1  SCT Data Transfer

SMART Extended Comprehensive Error Log Version: 1 (5 sectors)
No Errors Logged

SMART Extended Self-test Log Version: 1 (1 sectors)
No self-tests have been logged.  [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

SCT Status Version:                  3
SCT Version (vendor specific):       522 (0x020a)
Device State:                        Active (0)
Current Temperature:                    29 Celsius
Power Cycle Min/Max Temperature:     20/33 Celsius
Lifetime    Min/Max Temperature:     15/51 Celsius
Under/Over Temperature Limit Count:   0/0
SMART Status:                        0xc24f (PASSED)
Vendor specific:
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

SCT Temperature History Version:     2
Temperature Sampling Period:         4 minutes
Temperature Logging Interval:        59 minutes
Min/Max recommended Temperature:     10/40 Celsius
Min/Max Temperature Limit:            5/60 Celsius
Temperature History Size (Index):    128 (26)

Index    Estimated Time   Temperature Celsius
  27    2025-01-23 20:55    24  *****
  28    2025-01-23 21:54    24  *****
  29    2025-01-23 22:53    27  ********
  30    2025-01-23 23:52    24  *****
 ...    ..(  3 skipped).    ..  *****
  34    2025-01-24 03:48    24  *****
  35    2025-01-24 04:47    22  ***
  36    2025-01-24 05:46    21  **
 ...    ..(  6 skipped).    ..  **
  43    2025-01-24 12:39    21  **
  44    2025-01-24 13:38    27  ********
  45    2025-01-24 14:37    28  *********
  46    2025-01-24 15:36    26  *******
  47    2025-01-24 16:35    24  *****
  48    2025-01-24 17:34    24  *****
  49    2025-01-24 18:33    24  *****
  50    2025-01-24 19:32    23  ****
  51    2025-01-24 20:31    22  ***
  52    2025-01-24 21:30    22  ***
  53    2025-01-24 22:29    24  *****
  54    2025-01-24 23:28    26  *******
  55    2025-01-25 00:27    29  **********
  56    2025-01-25 01:26    25  ******
  57    2025-01-25 02:25    24  *****
  58    2025-01-25 03:24    28  *********
  59    2025-01-25 04:23    24  *****
  60    2025-01-25 05:22    23  ****
  61    2025-01-25 06:21    24  *****
  62    2025-01-25 07:20    22  ***
  63    2025-01-25 08:19    22  ***
  64    2025-01-25 09:18    24  *****
  65    2025-01-25 10:17    27  ********
  66    2025-01-25 11:16    24  *****
  67    2025-01-25 12:15    25  ******
  68    2025-01-25 13:14    30  ***********
  69    2025-01-25 14:13    25  ******
  70    2025-01-25 15:12    23  ****
  71    2025-01-25 16:11    25  ******
  72    2025-01-25 17:10    25  ******
  73    2025-01-25 18:09    23  ****
  74    2025-01-25 19:08    24  *****
 ...    ..(  5 skipped).    ..  *****
  80    2025-01-26 01:02    24  *****
  81    2025-01-26 02:01    28  *********
  82    2025-01-26 03:00    25  ******
  83    2025-01-26 03:59    26  *******
  84    2025-01-26 04:58    25  ******
  85    2025-01-26 05:57    25  ******
  86    2025-01-26 06:56    24  *****
  87    2025-01-26 07:55    24  *****
  88    2025-01-26 08:54    24  *****
  89    2025-01-26 09:53    26  *******
  90    2025-01-26 10:52    24  *****
 ...    ..(  4 skipped).    ..  *****
  95    2025-01-26 15:47    24  *****
  96    2025-01-26 16:46    28  *********
  97    2025-01-26 17:45    25  ******
  98    2025-01-26 18:44    24  *****
 ...    ..(  5 skipped).    ..  *****
 104    2025-01-27 00:38    24  *****
 105    2025-01-27 01:37    23  ****
 106    2025-01-27 02:36    23  ****
 107    2025-01-27 03:35    28  *********
 108    2025-01-27 04:34    24  *****
 ...    ..( 12 skipped).    ..  *****
 121    2025-01-27 17:21    24  *****
 122    2025-01-27 18:20    25  ******
 123    2025-01-27 19:19    24  *****
 124    2025-01-27 20:18    25  ******
 125    2025-01-27 21:17    24  *****
 126    2025-01-27 22:16    29  **********
 127    2025-01-27 23:15    27  ********
   0    2025-01-28 00:14    25  ******
   1    2025-01-28 01:13    25  ******
   2    2025-01-28 02:12    25  ******
   3    2025-01-28 03:11    29  **********
   4    2025-01-28 04:10    25  ******
 ...    ..(  3 skipped).    ..  ******
   8    2025-01-28 08:06    25  ******
   9    2025-01-28 09:05    24  *****
  10    2025-01-28 10:04    24  *****
  11    2025-01-28 11:03    23  ****
  12    2025-01-28 12:02    25  ******
 ...    ..(  5 skipped).    ..  ******
  18    2025-01-28 17:56    25  ******
  19    2025-01-28 18:55    24  *****
  20    2025-01-28 19:54    24  *****
  21    2025-01-28 20:53    25  ******
  22    2025-01-28 21:52    24  *****
  23    2025-01-28 22:51    26  *******
  24    2025-01-28 23:50    25  ******
  25    2025-01-29 00:49    24  *****
  26    2025-01-29 01:48    29  **********

SCT Error Recovery Control:
           Read:    100 (10.0 seconds)
          Write:    100 (10.0 seconds)

Device Statistics (GP Log 0x04)
Page  Offset Size        Value Flags Description
0x01  =====  =               =  ===  == General Statistics (rev 1) ==
0x01  0x008  4             590  ---  Lifetime Power-On Resets
0x01  0x010  4            4057  ---  Power-on Hours
0x01  0x018  6     49825908208  ---  Logical Sectors Written
0x01  0x020  6        27357194  ---  Number of Write Commands
0x01  0x028  6   4096773005748  ---  Logical Sectors Read
0x01  0x030  6        39172348  ---  Number of Read Commands
0x01  0x038  6               -  ---  Date and Time TimeStamp
0x03  =====  =               =  ===  == Rotating Media Statistics (rev 1) ==
0x03  0x008  4            2448  ---  Spindle Motor Power-on Hours
0x03  0x010  4             607  ---  Head Flying Hours
0x03  0x018  4            2347  ---  Head Load Events
0x03  0x020  4               0  ---  Number of Reallocated Logical Sectors
0x03  0x028  4               0  ---  Read Recovery Attempts
0x03  0x030  4               0  ---  Number of Mechanical Start Failures
0x03  0x038  4               0  ---  Number of Realloc. Candidate Logical Sectors
0x03  0x040  4             536  ---  Number of High Priority Unload Events
0x04  =====  =               =  ===  == General Errors Statistics (rev 1) ==
0x04  0x008  4               0  ---  Number of Reported Uncorrectable Errors
0x04  0x010  4               0  ---  Resets Between Cmd Acceptance and Completion
0x04  0x018  4               0  -D-  Physical Element Status Changed
0x05  =====  =               =  ===  == Temperature Statistics (rev 1) ==
0x05  0x008  1              29  ---  Current Temperature
0x05  0x010  1              24  ---  Average Short Term Temperature
0x05  0x018  1               -  ---  Average Long Term Temperature
0x05  0x020  1              38  ---  Highest Temperature
0x05  0x028  1              18  ---  Lowest Temperature
0x05  0x030  1              33  ---  Highest Average Short Term Temperature
0x05  0x038  1              21  ---  Lowest Average Short Term Temperature
0x05  0x040  1               -  ---  Highest Average Long Term Temperature
0x05  0x048  1               -  ---  Lowest Average Long Term Temperature
0x05  0x050  4               0  ---  Time in Over-Temperature
0x05  0x058  1              60  ---  Specified Maximum Operating Temperature
0x05  0x060  4               0  ---  Time in Under-Temperature
0x05  0x068  1               5  ---  Specified Minimum Operating Temperature
0x06  =====  =               =  ===  == Transport Statistics (rev 1) ==
0x06  0x008  4            1194  ---  Number of Hardware Resets
0x06  0x010  4             597  ---  Number of ASR Events
0x06  0x018  4               0  ---  Number of Interface CRC Errors
0xff  =====  =               =  ===  == Vendor Specific Statistics (rev 1) ==
0xff  0x008  7               0  ---  Vendor Specific
0xff  0x010  7               0  ---  Vendor Specific
0xff  0x018  7               0  ---  Vendor Specific
                                |||_ C monitored condition met
                                ||__ D supports DSN
                                |___ N normalized value

Pending Defects log (GP Log 0x0c)
No Defects Logged

SATA Phy Event Counters (GP Log 0x11)
ID      Size     Value  Description
0x000a  2            2  Device-to-host register FISes sent due to a COMRESET
0x0001  2            0  Command failed due to ICRC error
0x0003  2            0  R_ERR response for device-to-host data FIS
0x0004  2            0  R_ERR response for host-to-device data FIS
0x0006  2            0  R_ERR response for device-to-host non-data FIS
0x0007  2            0  R_ERR response for host-to-device non-data FIS

Seagate FARM log (GP Log 0xa6) supported [try: -l farm]

Spoiler: smartctl -l farm /dev/sdo

~# smartctl -l farm /dev/sdo
smartctl 7.4 2023-08-01 r5530 [x86_64-linux-6.8.12-5-pve] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-23, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

Seagate Field Access Reliability Metrics log (FARM) (GP Log 0xa6)
        FARM Log Page 0: Log Header
                FARM Log Version: 4.24
                Pages Supported: 6
                Log Size: 98304
                Page Size: 16384
                Heads Supported: 24
                Number of Copies: 0
                Reason for Frame Capture: 0
        FARM Log Page 1: Drive Information
                Serial Number: xxxxxxxx
                World Wide Name: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
                Device Interface: SATA
                Device Capacity in Sectors: 35156656128
                Physical Sector Size: 4096
                Logical Sector Size: 512
                Device Buffer Size: 268435456
                Number of Heads: 19
                Device Form Factor: 3.5 inches
                Rotation Rate: 7200 rpm
                Firmware Rev: SN01
                ATA Security State (ID Word 128): 0x01621
                ATA Features Supported (ID Word 78): 0x016cc
                ATA Features Enabled (ID Word 79): 0x0000000000000044
                Power on Hours: 4057
                Spindle Power on Hours: 2448
                Head Flight Hours: 607
                Head Load Events: 2347
                Power Cycle Count: 591
                Hardware Reset Count: 1194
                Spin-up Time: 9 ms
                Time to ready of the last power cycle: 24690 ms
                Time drive is held in staggered spin: 0 ms
                Model Number: ST18000NM003D-3DL103
                Drive Recording Type: CMR
                Max Number of Available Sectors for Reassignment: 18204
                Assembly Date (YYWW): 2252
                Depopulation Head Mask: 0
        FARM Log Page 2: Workload Statistics
                Total Number of Read Commands: 39521336
                Total Number of Write Commands: 27449547
                Total Number of Random Read Commands: 7322607
                Total Number of Random Write Commands: 11371516
                Total Number Of Other Commands: 204229
                Logical Sectors Written: 49905922228
                Logical Sectors Read: 491161459814
                Number of dither events during current power cycle: 154
                Number of times dither was held off during random workloads: 1897
                Number of times dither was held off during sequential workloads: 1421
                Number of Read commands from 0-3.125% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 2196140
                Number of Read commands from 3.125-25% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 6109039
                Number of Read commands from 25-75% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 11704642
                Number of Read commands from 75-100% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 21885202
                Number of Write commands from 0-3.125% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 1140088
                Number of Write commands from 3.125-25% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 7472625
                Number of Write commands from 25-75% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 8014785
                Number of Write commands from 75-100% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 17713028
        FARM Log Page 3: Error Statistics
                Unrecoverable Read Errors: 0
                Unrecoverable Write Errors: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors: 0
                Number of Read Recovery Attempts: 0
                Number of Mechanical Start Failures: 0
                Number of Reallocated Candidate Sectors: 0
                Number of ASR Events: 597
                Number of Interface CRC Errors: 0
                Spin Retry Count: 0
                Spin Retry Count Normalized: 100
                Spin Retry Count Worst: 100
                Number of IOEDC Errors (Raw): 0
                CTO Count Total: 0
                CTO Count Over 5s: 0
                CTO Count Over 7.5s: 0
                Total Flash LED (Assert) Events: 0
                Index of the last Flash LED: 0
                Flash LED Event 0:
                        Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
                        Timestamp of Event 0 (hours): 0
                        Power Cycle Event 0: 0
                Flash LED Event 1:
                        Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
                        Timestamp of Event 1 (hours): 0
                        Power Cycle Event 1: 0
                Flash LED Event 2:
                        Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
                        Timestamp of Event 2 (hours): 0
                        Power Cycle Event 2: 0
                Flash LED Event 3:
                        Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
                        Timestamp of Event 3 (hours): 0
                        Power Cycle Event 3: 0
                Flash LED Event 4:
                        Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
                        Timestamp of Event 4 (hours): 0
                        Power Cycle Event 4: 0
                Flash LED Event 5:
                        Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
                        Timestamp of Event 5 (hours): 0
                        Power Cycle Event 5: 0
                Flash LED Event 6:
                        Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
                        Timestamp of Event 6 (hours): 0
                        Power Cycle Event 6: 0
                Flash LED Event 7:
                        Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
                        Timestamp of Event 7 (hours): 0
                        Power Cycle Event 7: 0
                Uncorrectable errors: 0
                Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read errors due to ERC: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 0:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 1:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 2:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 3:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 4:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 5:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 6:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 7:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 8:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 9:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 10:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 11:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 12:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 13:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 14:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 15:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 16:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 17:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
                Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 18:
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
                        Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
        FARM Log Page 4: Environment Statistics
                Current Temperature (Celsius): 29
                Highest Temperature: 38
                Lowest Temperature: 18
                Average Short Term Temperature: 24
                Average Long Term Temperature: 0
                Highest Average Short Term Temperature: 33
                Lowest Average Short Term Temperature: 21
                Highest Average Long Term Temperature: 0
                Lowest Average Long Term Temperature: 0
                Time In Over Temperature (minutes): 0
                Time In Under Temperature (minutes): 0
                Specified Max Operating Temperature: 60
                Specified Min Operating Temperature: 5
                Current Relative Humidity: 0
                Current Motor Power: 5455
                Current 12 volts: 12.033
                Minimum 12 volts: 11.867
                Maximum 12 volts: 12.106
                Current 5 volts: 4.991
                Minimum 5 volts: 4.926
                Maximum 5 volts: 5.041
                12V Power Average: 0.000
                12V Power Minimum: 0.000
                12V Power Maximum: 0.000
                5V Power Average: 0.000
                5V Power Minimum: 0.000
                5V Power Maximum: 0.000
        FARM Log Page 5: Reliability Statistics
                Error Rate (SMART Attribute 1 Raw): 0x00000000098f998d
                Error Rate (SMART Attribute 1 Normalized): 82
                Error Rate (SMART Attribute 1 Worst): 64
                Seek Error Rate (SMART Attr 7 Raw): 0x00000000052e5334
                Seek Error Rate (SMART Attr 7 Normalized): 79
                Seek Error Rate (SMART Attr 7 Worst): 60
                High Priority Unload Events: 537
                Helium Pressure Threshold Tripped: 0
                LBAs Corrected By Parity Sector: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 0: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 1: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 2: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 3: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 4: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 5: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 6: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 7: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 8: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 9: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 10: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 11: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 12: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 13: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 14: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 15: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 16: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 17: 0
                DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 18: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 0: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 1: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 2: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 3: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 4: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 5: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 6: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 7: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 8: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 9: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 10: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 11: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 12: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 13: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 14: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 15: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 16: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 17: 0
                RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 18: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 0: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 1: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 2: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 3: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 4: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 5: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 6: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 7: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 8: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 9: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 10: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 11: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 12: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 13: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 14: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 15: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 16: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 17: 0
                FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 18: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 0: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 1: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 2: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 3: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 4: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 5: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 6: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 7: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 8: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 9: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 10: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 11: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 12: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 13: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 14: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 15: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 16: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 17: 0
                Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 18: 0
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 0: 5656
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 1: 5930
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 2: 5481
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 3: 6044
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 4: 5694
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 5: 5868
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 6: 6170
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 7: 5789
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 8: 6026
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 9: 5575
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 10: 6004
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 11: 6001
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 12: 6040
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 13: 5983
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 14: 5854
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 15: 5768
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 16: 5827
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 17: 5369
                Write Power On (hrs) by Head 18: 5791
                MR Head Resistance from Head 0: 0
                MR Head Resistance from Head 1: 0
                MR Head Resistance from Head 2: 0
                MR Head Resistance from Head 3: 0
                MR Head Resistance from Head 4: 0
                MR Head Resistance from Head 5: 0
                MR Head Resistance from Head 6: 0
                MR Head Resistance from Head 7: 0
                MR Head Resistance from Head 8: 0
                MR Head Resistance from Head 9: 0
                MR Head Resistance from Head 10: 0
                MR Head Resistance from Head 11: 0
                MR Head Resistance from Head 12: 0
                MR Head Resistance from Head 13: 0
                MR Head Resistance from Head 14: 0
                MR Head Resistance from Head 15: 0
                MR Head Resistance from Head 16: 0
                MR Head Resistance from Head 17: 0
                MR Head Resistance from Head 18: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 0: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 1: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 2: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 3: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 4: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 5: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 6: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 7: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 8: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 9: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 10: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 11: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 12: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 13: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 14: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 15: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 16: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 17: 0
                Second MR Head Resistance by Head 18: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 0: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 1: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 2: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 3: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 4: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 5: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 6: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 7: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 8: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 9: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 10: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 11: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 12: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 13: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 14: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 15: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 16: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 17: 0
                Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 18: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 0: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 1: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 2: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 3: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 4: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 5: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 6: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 7: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 8: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 9: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 10: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 11: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 12: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 13: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 14: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 15: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 16: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 17: 0
                Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 18: 0

 

[IchiBrain]

@Snoopy69 also ich hab meinen Rechner eben nochmal aufgemacht, der Kleber auf meiner Platte sieht so aus wie er aussehen soll, siehe Bild. Kein grüner Rand wie bei den refurbished Platten, hab sie jetzt aber nicht nochmal ausgebaut.
Aber als sie ankam sah sie gut aus, hab jetzt keine eindeutigen Kratzer oder Gebrauchsspuren gesehen, obwohl es ja auch ne interne ist, die wandert ja nicht gerade im Rucksack umher. Verpackt was sie halt einfach in so einer Folie, da ich keine Probleme erwartet hab hab ich mir leider nicht eingeprägt was auf der Verpackung abgedruckt war.. Wie gesagt es hat an sich alles einen ordentlichen Eindruck gemacht. Wenn ich die FARM Daten nicht gecheckt hätte hätte ich ja auch keinen Anlass da was zu vermuten. Aber wenn mans weiß kommt man sich ja einfach für dumm verkauft vor. Und keiner weiß wo und wie die Platte gelaufen ist und wie sie die nächsten Jahre halten wird.
Ich denke ich werde bisschen tiefer in die Tasche greifen, gleich ne Nummer neuer und mehr und auch die X20 20TB bei cyberport bestellen. 🤷‍♀️

@SH4DOWtheFOX ja ich hab da eigentlich auch noch nie was negatives gehabt, mein alter Rechner war auch von Mindfactory.. aber habe grade nochmal nachgeschaut, auch Mindfactory steht auf der Liste. Aber Wie vorhin jemand geschrieben hat.. die Dunkelziffer ist wahrscheinlich noch viel höher und es ist eher eine Glückssache was man bekommt.
Wahrscheinlich in Zukunft wie beim online Klamotten kaufen - mehrere Bestellen - SN und Betriebsstunden prüfen und zürück was nicht passt.. lächerlich -.-

 

[Akhenabi]

Ich habe vor 2 Wochen eine Seagate Exos 8 TB bei Mindfactory gekauft, habe mal die Daten ausgelesen bin mir aber nicht ganz sicher, zumindest stimmen die Power On Hours mit Crystal Disk Info überein:

Das Herstellungsdatum ist seltsam, YYWW 4262 ergibt laut Rechner irgendwas in der Zukunft und die Serial Number ergibt bei Seagate das selbe Ergebniswie bei @IchiBrain , "wurde als Teil eines größeren Systems erworben, bitte wenden sie sich an den Systemhersteller oder Händler bei dem sie das Produkt erworben haben".

Spoiler: Seagate Exos 8 TB Farm Info

Seagate Field Access Reliability Metrics log (FARM) (GP Log 0xa6)
FARM Log Page 0: Log Header
FARM Log Version: 4.24
Pages Supported: 6
Log Size: 98304
Page Size: 16384
Heads Supported: 24
Number of Copies: 0
Reason for Frame Capture: 0
FARM Log Page 1: Drive Information
Serial Number: xxxxxxxx
World Wide Name: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Device Interface: SATA
Device Capacity in Sectors: 15628053168
Physical Sector Size: 4096
Logical Sector Size: 512
Device Buffer Size: 268435456
Number of Heads: 8
Device Form Factor: 3.5 inches
Rotation Rate: 7200 rpm
Firmware Rev: SC03
ATA Security State (ID Word 128): 0x01629
ATA Features Supported (ID Word 78): 0x0168cc
ATA Features Enabled (ID Word 79): 0x0000000000000040
Power on Hours: 372
Spindle Power on Hours: 343
Head Flight Hours: 312
Head Load Events: 518
Power Cycle Count: 21
Hardware Reset Count: 84
Spin-up Time: 8 ms
Time to ready of the last power cycle: 23275 ms
Time drive is held in staggered spin: 0 ms
Model Number: ST8000NM017B-2TJ103
Drive Recording Type: CMR
Max Number of Available Sectors for Reassignment: 16384
Assembly Date (YYWW): 4262
Depopulation Head Mask: 0
FARM Log Page 2: Workload Statistics
Total Number of Read Commands: 1423769
Total Number of Write Commands: 43628396
Total Number of Random Read Commands: 272783
Total Number of Random Write Commands: 15898238
Total Number Of Other Commands: 1094994
Logical Sectors Written: 10427676040
Logical Sectors Read: 122661842
Number of dither events during current power cycle: 867
Number of times dither was held off during random workloads: 56
Number of times dither was held off during sequential workloads: 295
Number of Read commands from 0-3.125% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 190967
Number of Read commands from 3.125-25% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 1601900
Number of Read commands from 25-75% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 178733
Number of Read commands from 75-100% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 477220
Number of Write commands from 0-3.125% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 2432567
Number of Write commands from 3.125-25% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 4591549
Number of Write commands from 25-75% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 14801759
Number of Write commands from 75-100% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 7100309
FARM Log Page 3: Error Statistics
Unrecoverable Read Errors: 0
Unrecoverable Write Errors: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors: 0
Number of Read Recovery Attempts: 0
Number of Mechanical Start Failures: 0
Number of Reallocated Candidate Sectors: 0
Number of ASR Events: 46
Number of Interface CRC Errors: 0
Spin Retry Count: 0
Spin Retry Count Normalized: 100
Spin Retry Count Worst: 100
Number of IOEDC Errors (Raw): 0
CTO Count Total: 0
CTO Count Over 5s: 0
CTO Count Over 7.5s: 0
Total Flash LED (Assert) Events: 0
Index of the last Flash LED: 0
Flash LED Event 0:
Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
Timestamp of Event 0 (hours): 0
Power Cycle Event 0: 0
Flash LED Event 1:
Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
Timestamp of Event 1 (hours): 0
Power Cycle Event 1: 0
Flash LED Event 2:
Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
Timestamp of Event 2 (hours): 0
Power Cycle Event 2: 0
Flash LED Event 3:
Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
Timestamp of Event 3 (hours): 0
Power Cycle Event 3: 0
Flash LED Event 4:
Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
Timestamp of Event 4 (hours): 0
Power Cycle Event 4: 0
Flash LED Event 5:
Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
Timestamp of Event 5 (hours): 0
Power Cycle Event 5: 0
Flash LED Event 6:
Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
Timestamp of Event 6 (hours): 0
Power Cycle Event 6: 0
Flash LED Event 7:
Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
Timestamp of Event 7 (hours): 0
Power Cycle Event 7: 0
Uncorrectable errors: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read errors due to ERC: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 0:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 1:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 2:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 3:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 4:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 5:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 6:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 7:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
FARM Log Page 4: Environment Statistics
Current Temperature (Celsius): 31
Highest Temperature: 57
Lowest Temperature: 23
Average Short Term Temperature: 30
Average Long Term Temperature: 0
Highest Average Short Term Temperature: 50
Lowest Average Short Term Temperature: 27
Highest Average Long Term Temperature: 0
Lowest Average Long Term Temperature: 0
Time In Over Temperature (minutes): 0
Time In Under Temperature (minutes): 0
Specified Max Operating Temperature: 60
Specified Min Operating Temperature: 5
Current Relative Humidity: 0
Current Motor Power: 6341
Current 12 volts: 12.132
Minimum 12 volts: 11.927
Maximum 12 volts: 12.172
Current 5 volts: 4.976
Minimum 5 volts: 4.941
Maximum 5 volts: 5.017
12V Power Average: 0.000
12V Power Minimum: 0.000
12V Power Maximum: 0.000
5V Power Average: 0.000
5V Power Minimum: 0.000
5V Power Maximum: 0.000
FARM Log Page 5: Reliability Statistics
Error Rate (SMART Attribute 1 Raw): 0x0000000002e09ca2
Error Rate (SMART Attribute 1 Normalized): 77
Error Rate (SMART Attribute 1 Worst): 64
Seek Error Rate (SMART Attr 7 Raw): 0x00000000005fbc93
Seek Error Rate (SMART Attr 7 Normalized): 68
Seek Error Rate (SMART Attr 7 Worst): 60
High Priority Unload Events: 2
Helium Pressure Threshold Tripped: 0
LBAs Corrected By Parity Sector: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 0: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 1: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 2: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 3: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 4: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 5: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 6: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 7: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 0: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 1: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 2: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 3: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 4: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 5: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 6: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 7: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 0: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 1: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 2: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 3: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 4: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 5: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 6: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 7: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 0: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 1: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 2: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 3: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 4: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 5: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 6: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 7: 0
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 0: 2553
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 1: 2490
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 2: 2389
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 3: 2527
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 4: 2422
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 5: 2525
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 6: 2400
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 7: 2418
MR Head Resistance from Head 0: 380
MR Head Resistance from Head 1: 430
MR Head Resistance from Head 2: 392
MR Head Resistance from Head 3: 452
MR Head Resistance from Head 4: 564
MR Head Resistance from Head 5: 499
MR Head Resistance from Head 6: 394
MR Head Resistance from Head 7: 370
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 0: 447
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 1: 434
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 2: 400
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 3: 383
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 4: 465
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 5: 459
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 6: 296
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 7: 437
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 0: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 1: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 2: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 3: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 4: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 5: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 6: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 7: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 0: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 1: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 2: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 3: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 4: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 5: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 6: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 7: 0

Zum Vergleich:

 

[IchiBrain]

@Akhenabi ok wow das mit deinem assembly date ist ja wirklich sehr weird.. jetzt ist die frage ob es da einen Auslesefehler gibt oder das Format doch irgendwie anders zu interpretieren ist :'D Irgendwas stimmt da nicht..
aber das hab ich vorhin ganz aus den Augen verloren.. ich hab mir grade mein Assembly Date mal angeschaut.

Was soll mir das jetzt genau sagen? das wäre 2012 gewesen!? Da sind unsere Platten wohl durch die Zeit gereist..

 

[Akhenabi]

@IchiBrain Hab die Seite hier ausprobiert, keine Ahnung ob das alles so richtig ist, aber

https://bugaco.com/calculators/seagate_date_code.php sagt 4262 corresponds to 2041-08-05

Bin ein wenig am zweifeln, die Platte hat 2 sterbende ersetzt und ist voll und ich hab keine Alternative derzeit.

 

[eastcoast_pete]

Es gibt Seagate "Factory Recertified" HDDs, die allerdings, so man von einem ehrlichen Anbieter kauft, klar als solche gekennzeichnet und auch deutlich billiger als echte Neuware sind. Andernfalls ist es schlicht und ergreifend Betrug.

Ergänzung (Mittwoch um 04:11)

Und trotzdem sind die noch so schweine Teuer und das sind noch die billigsten die nur mit dem Preis punkten können da freiwillig keiner Seagate will (fast keiner).

Das war vor einigen Jahren in der Tat so; Seagate hatte richtige Probleme mit der Qualitätskontrolle, und ich hab die HDDs von denen auch gemieden. Allerdings ist das jetzt nicht mehr so. Siehe auch die Ausfallraten in den Statistiken von Backblaze.

 

[blackiwid]

Das war vor einigen Jahren in der Tat so; Seagate hatte richtige Probleme mit der Qualitätskontrolle, und ich hab die HDDs von denen auch gemieden. Allerdings ist das jetzt nicht mehr so. Siehe auch die Ausfallraten in den Statistiken von Backblaze.

Dann sollen sie es aber mehr wie 1-10 Euro billiger machen

Festplatten sind eh viel zu teuer und dann kauf ich eben lieber den Marktführer... wenn ich den Anbieter wechseln soll dann sollen die was bieten, selbst bei Strom würde ich wegen 1-2% nicht wechseln.

 

[Froki]

Das sich Amazon in der Liste wiederfindet, verwundert mich zumindest nicht.

Mich leider auch nicht.

 

[IchiBrain]

@IchiBrain Hab die Seite hier ausprobiert, keine Ahnung ob das alles so richtig ist, aber

sagt 4262 corresponds to 2041-08-05

Bin ein wenig am zweifeln, die Platte hat 2 sterbende ersetzt und ist voll und ich hab keine Alternative derzeit.

na das wird ja immer schlimmer. dort encoded wäre das assemble date von meiner neuen Festplatte der 30.08.2011 😅😂
Also das ist alles etwas zu hoch für meine normalen Computer bezogenen Gedankengänge..
Ich versteh dich aber, wie gesagt, ich hab aktuell auch nur die eine Exos verbaut. Wie wichtig das Assemble Date in deinem Fall jetzt ist kann ich nicht beurteilen, zumindest hat deine zueinander passende Betriebsstunden, sie ist also nicht schon vorab irgendwo 3 Jahre gelaufen. Das würde mich beruhigen

 

[blende11]

Entweder haben die internen Prüf- und Qualitätskontrollen der betroffenen Händler versagt oder sie wussten davon und haben bewusst gebrauchte Festplatten als neue verkauft.
Ich gehe eher von ersterem aus, denn kein Händler kann es sich leisten, seine Kunden zu betrügen, jedenfalls kein seriöser.
Wenn das auffliegt, ist das mehr als geschäftsschädigend!
Amazon müsste den ganzen Schrott, der teilweise auf dieser Online-Plattform angeboten wird, auslisten.
Lieber weniger Angebot, dafür vertrauenswürdig, qualitativ hochwertig und nachhaltig.

 

[chrisde]

Vielleicht mehr Off-Topic aber ich sehe primär und allgemein eine Nachbesserung im Gesetz. Laut diversen jurist. Interpretationen ist gesetzlich nicht eindeutig definitiert, wann eine Ware neu und wann sie gebraucht ist. Diese grau Zone machen sich wohl viele bewusst / unbewusst zum nutzen (?).

Meine Erfahrung: 50% der Mainboards definitiv Versandrückläufer als neu erhalten - unterschiedl. Güte (Staub, Kratzer, fehlendes Zubehör, ...), Grafikkarten (Fehlendes Herstellersiegel, Schutzfolie fehlte, Kratzer) und PSU (Corsair: Folie fehlte, Kabel unvollständig, Kratzer). Benannte Mängel bei den "Big Playern" der PC Landschaft.

Zurück zum Thema: Hier sollte die Lage ja Eindeutig sein, bzgl. Laufwerkswerte. Zufall oder ein Fehler eines Einzelnen RMAs kann es nicht mehr sein. Die Frage ist, wie groß das Interesse der Öffentlichkeit ist. Wenn es ein Mainstream Artikel (gängige Handyserie, Autombil) wäre, wäre es ggfs. "leichter" ...

Ich bin aber kein Jurist und hoffe, dass die Geschädigten (ihr) eine schnelle sowie befriedigende Klärung erhaltet.

 

[scryed]

Das ist eine ganz andere Hausnummer und glasklarer Betrug, wenn Festplatten als neu verkauft werden, diese aber schon tlw. weit ü

Wobei man dann auch Rausfiltern muss welche Personen nicht drauf geachtet haben recertified hdds gekauft zu haben , im Rausch des schnappers das gegebenfals übersehen habe

 

[BAR86]

HDD Sentinel (Trial Version reicht) zeigt ebenfalls die Betriebsstunden an. Schaue ich bei jeder Platte nach Kauf nach, ob diese schon in Betrieb genommen wurde.

Hätte ich damals machen sollen, aber die Platten gingen ohnehin zurück, in dem Fall wären es aber Western Digital, nicht Seagate